Discussion in 'All things considered!' started by Joey Joe Joe Jr Shabadoo, Aug 26, 2015.
My vote is going to Bernie Sanders. How about you?
Whoever the Libertarian candidate is.
Trump oh god! LOL I'll admit he is great at being an entertainer, but hell no he won't make a good president!
Bernie Sanders is really an independent, he is just running as a democrat in order to have a chance.
We need a non politician in office! I know Trump is crazy, but lifetime politicians are killing us.
Bernie Sanders is a communist. Do we really want Obama part II? er III
Bernie Sanders is no communist. And Trump is not president material.
Bernie Sanders wants:
To get money out of politics
Universal Healthcare because healthcare should NOT be controlled by big business.
Heavy Regulations on wallstreet and banks
Wants to break up banks
Wants to rid our, and the rest of the worlds dependence on fossil fuel to combat climate change
Wants to make big business pay taxes, as opposed to paying no taxes, and getting welfare money.
Wants to raise the minimum wage to $15/h
Wants to have payed family and maturity leave.
Wants to end systemic racism.
All his policies are just common sense. Sanders is a centrist, he is actually between capitalist and socialist, and applies both where it makes sense. I would go as far as to say that niether Ben Carson, or Trump are even serious about being president, it all seems to be for the publicity for them.
And now it turns out trump DOES have a super PAC. I knew all along that I just couldn't trust him, or believe anything he said.
But renaming the US to trump something would be hilarious.
Bernie's first TV AD.
But he's a politician. I can't believe anything they say!
Never gonna get money out of politics for the same reason you'll never remove the horns from the devil.
Healthcare. hmm good idea, but he's got to get the money out of medical first. It's just as corrupt as politics.
How is he going to pay for Tuition-free college? A noble idea, but someone needs to address the trillions of dollars we are in debt for first.
Break up banks?!?!? See communist!
Climate change is caused by us farting and cows farting. Another noble idea, but not realistic. I'd like to see solar everything, but it's a long shot.
Like the big business idea. He also wants to end companies in America becoming 'foreign' to avoid paying taxes.
$15 min wage sounds nice, but it's just a circulatory effect. Those people making your milk, meat, eggs, furniture, cars, etc will all go to $15 and those who were above that already will go higher. So you're gonna make $15/hour now, but so is everyone else and thus the prices of all those products we need and want are going to escalate too.
I think the real answer is to get rid of these oppressive taxes and money spent propping up foreign governments that want to blow us up!
Great family should come first. Again though someone needs to pay for that.
Never gonna end racism unless you ban TV. Cause every time you hear about a crime the first thing that's broadcast is the perp was black, brown, yellow, etc. Then you have to get rid of Farakan, and the round boy who's now skinny. Forgot his name. They are race baiters.
And Trump is a fascist nazi who wants to put badges on all muslims, and put them concentration camps, he's a lunatic, and not smart at all, he would absolutely destroy america.
Bernie Sanders is an honest politician, yes they do exist, you just don't know him well enough.
Some states are already planning on making the switch to universal health care, Vermont tried it, but thanks to the corruption of the health insurance companies, they forced it to not work.
We pay for school from kindergarten to high school, why not college?
Read up on history, before, the banks were regulated by glass-steagal, until clinton got rid of it. Wallstreet, and the banks are putting the hurt on the economy. Not communist!
Nope! caused by oil!
Yeah, thats a big deal for sure.
I think it would make more sense to make the minimum 11 or 12 bucks an hour, and lower taxes, that would help big!
Hopefully, whoever you work for.
There will always be stupid people in the world who can't think for themselves.
Not the first person that has refereed to him as Hilter. Hitler killed millions of people, wanted to take over the entire world. I don't see that in Trump.
Trump isn't smart? He's certainly smarter than us, he isn't exactly poor.
I never heard him say he wants to put Muslims in concentration camps. To not recognize Muslims as the main suppliers of terrorist is not a good idea. Do you want some terrorist to come in as 'refugees'? I don't...
You're right I don't know much about Sanders, I'd say the same thing about you and Trump
Good point about school, but we do have to draw a line somewhere. Some people want to go to school for 12 years, so we should pay for that too?
I know about Glass-Steagal. The banks are doing what they are doing because Bush and Obama didn't jail any VIPs. They continue to do what they do because there is no consequences to them other then some fine.
There should be some kind of minimum wage, but it should be across the board. Restaurant workers should get it, fast food workers should get it, etc. In NYS at least we they want to pay fast food workers $15/hour while the rest stay at $9. Now I know it's hard to impossible to make a living at that rate so it should be higher, but the government shouldn't dictate everything.
He may just be playing to the crowd, and saying BS that will get him elected, or he could be serious. He is an entertainer, not someone I would ever trust as president, always talking about himself and other nonsensical gibberish when he gives speeches, and never the problems that america is facing. The only good thing about trump is that big money donors hate his guts, and don't trust him either. But that doesn't mean trump hasn't tried getting money from them, he is a business man after all, but they rejected Trump.
Have you heard what france did? they accepted even more refugees even after the terrorist attacks. And the US has a vetting system in place that is extremely robust, and it became so robust after some al-Qaeda members posing as refugees entered the states, they were caught, and now we do deep screening of all refugees, while I am not to fond of how long it takes to screen them (1 to 2 years), it should make people in america breath a lot more easy. I say since we have this system in place, we should take in a lot more refugees. And no, not all muslins are terrorists, in fact the over whelming majority of them hate ISIS, and all other terrorist groups, hell, even the taliban hate ISIS. generalization is a bad thing.
He started off his adult life with hundreds of millions of dollars, and went bankrupt 4 times. Even screwed over a bunch of people in the process from what I've heard. Don't like him. Of course you are going to get far when you are given a massive head start.
Looks up Sanders history, and You'll notice that his views and policies have remained totally consistent throughout his entire political career.
Higher taxes on the rich could easily pay for it, or do what Sanders wants to do, and put a tax on wallstreet speculation to pay for college tuition.
Exactly, just like with anyone who breaks the law, and gets away with it, they keep doing it, and worse.
I agree, thats why I'm much more in favor of the people of the united states having control, and dictating what the government does. Because right now we have no democracy, and no say in what our government does. There is even a thing called Wolf-Pac.com that is making an effort to ratify a constitutional amendment that forbids/criminalize's money in politics.
Very interesting read.
Do you REALLY want this clown being president? He wants to murder innocent people!
Another hilarious thing to realize; is that Trump is just openly representing what the GOP is really about. Every word that has come out of trumps mouth is what all the republicans are really thinking, all those despicable horrible policies are what the GOP is deep down. Trump has even said straight up said that he is intentionally trying to divide the country, and spread hatred.
Whereas, THIS is Bernie Sanders.
If you have to vote republican, atleast vote for Rand Paul.
Bernie Sanders speaking the absolute truth about Donald Trump.